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1 Zoso
In Hong Kong politics, there is this idea, 小紅書治港. It means "Xiaohongshu Governing Hong Kong", coming from the fact that Mainlanders would complain about something in HK by way of Xiaohongshu (known as Rednote), and the government would immediately pay attention and it would get fixed.

I think one predicament of our affairs is that Twitter or X holds a similar role in many American affairs. Hence, X is Governing America, X治美
2 Acephale_Himedanshi
Twitter has a disproportionate amount of influence in political discourse given that its userbase is so small compared to instagram or facebook.
3 river_observer
It feels less so like X is governing America and more that Musk is governing America. The typical poster on twitter or even a million of them don't hold any real sway. If you happen to align with Musk on things, he'll cynically use you to legitimize his position.
4 TohsakaPsycho
>>3

I’m on a similar page here. I think it honestly depends on the particular political sphere. You could maybe make an argument for marginal or regional politics sometimes? DSA International Committee types is an example of the terminally online having influence in theory but even then little in practice when it comes to sausagemaking. I’m racking my mind but politics for most cases seems to be only responsive when the stakeholders choose to be. Has “Stop Killing Games” gotten far? I haven’t been paying attention.
5 Weegas
What's one example of this 小红书 phenomenon leading to a tangible result?

Higher-ups in the administration and lawmakers might encounter new ideas from Twitter. But they'll get filtered and tailored while Working Towards The Donald, and might not land at all. If there is one media institution that has a direct line to US leadership, it's FOX News. This is a generational divide more than anything.

On a related note. There used to be an official channel for these kinds of internet-fueled requests, and they were about as effective as you'd think.
https://petitions.trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/
6 Zoso
>>3
The problem of course is that Musk is genuinely influenced by whatever lands on his feed one particular day or the other. It does drive him to do inane things like try to intervene in UKpol.

>>4
SKG has gone to senate floors almost successfully so I would say it has had broader influence than say petitions.

>>5
https://m.hkej.com/landing/mobarticle2?id=3794432 Minister justifying his tobacco policy by saying "people on Xiaohongshu support it lmao"
7 Zoso
More generally I think all of you have missed the point.

When 小紅書治港 and X治美, that doesn't literally mean "posters have power now", obviously not. It means two things:

1. Posting on social media has become important. It's a marker of vice or virtue signaling, and a way to spread information (this is why Andy Burnham is now paying "Social Media Analysts" in the government a bigger salary than people who do analysis of Britain's nuclear policy)
2. The new generation in charge of things is very tuned to the online. Obviously not lawmakers themselves but the people staffing and supporting the lawmakers, and the journalists providing and soliciting information to them, are themselves online. This bleeds into the powers that be
8 Zoso
One Twitter-specific thing: In America and many other countries sans Japan/Poland, it has always been the least used social media, and with the rise of Musk it has become used even less. Twitter compensates for this via the fact it is used by the more powerful. Sure, it doesn't have the mass mobilisation power of Instagram or Tiktok, but being influential on Twitter is the online equivalent of becoming an elite conversion or legal movement rather than a mass movement.
9 PeteBondurant
It's kind of hard to get an authentic read on Musk as he is too used to playing up his tism in front of the VCs who got their brain melted by the notion of the autistic savant as per Rain Man. Same reason none of these Silicone Valley hot shots wear suits all that often. I'm not sure he believes anything at all besides running flimflam on investors

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10 Weegas
>>9
I get the impression Musk cares more about his self-image as a "genius" than any other SV figure, which is why he named his company Tesla instead of Edison. This image was taken for granted during the Obama years. Due to turns in his personal life and his fanbase going from affluent liberal EV owners to crypto libertarians, we got to see just how puerile his self-image is. This is a man with enough money and power to influence American policy on matters of life and death. How does he want you to see him? An epic Mars colonist, One of the world's best Path of Exile players, and the funniest guy on X: Blaze Your Glory!
11 Fan26_America
Twitter discourse does have influence on the powerful to some degree, especially with Musk's purchase of the platform coinciding with the completion of the Republican Party's groyperfication. Stupid shit on there does impact policy in some ways; for example, twitter discourse about Argentina's obsession with the Falklands is probably the reason the Hegseth Pentagon (or maybe it was some mid-level appointees in State?) randomly began discussing not diplomatically backing Britain's legitimate claim to the islands.

JD Vance very very infamously is terminally online and definitely has at least one alt.
12 Shan
Twitterism is single-handedly breaking up the 80 year relationship between Canada and America from what I can see, the attitude and intentions towards us (Canada) from the White House seem to be completely rooted in social media memes and conservative grifter videos on Trudeau the Woke, they have seemingly no conception of the relationship that existed prior to him or what could be lost if its ruptured.
13 Acephale_Himedanshi
>>12
I feel like this is a recurring pattern with the current trump administration, where things have gotten so unserious that things that were conservative online talking points back in 2017 are starting to become actual policy. The JD Vance speech about Europe having "no free speech" basically sounds like the trumpers I used to talk to on discord back in 2016-2017. Except now those people have moved up in the ranks and are now the ones making actual policy. There is also the issue that, on the european side, people mistakenly this this relationship is salvageable because they don't understand how deep-rooted anti-european sentiment is on the US right.
14 Fan26_America
>>13
>>they don't understand how deep-rooted anti-european sentiment is on the US right.

Compared to the deeper resentments towards Canada, Anti-European sentiment is like much more likely to evaporate post-Trump especially since the Rubio-types are the likely successor faction as opposed to Vance's whiny isolationism. Most of the "anti-european sentiment" is Yanks being irritated at perceptions of Europe not pulling its weight in the alliance while still snobbily looking down at Americans as backwards colonials who'll never be good enough for Paris, Berlin, and London. It's coupled with (and exacerbated) by the heavily distorted perceptions of Europe online, the ones you've observed about how the EU has "no free speech" and is under a secret Islamic dictatorship and whatnot. Trump had that deranged quest to annex Greenland, and it was like in the single digit percentages of support among the populace; a huge achievement for a man who has thirty percent of the country worshipping him as God.

Frankly, from my side of the pond, it looks like it's Europe who has no interest in bothering to salvage the relationships Trump is ruining after he dies and would happily chuck us out of NATO as soon as someone weak like Vance or an AOC type gets into the Oval Office. I constantly see Europeans gleefully boasting about how much more civilised than us you all are, how America is now a civilizational enemy like Russia and China and India, and how we were never needed as an ally in the first place. I won't deny that we are now a very unreliable ally under Trump, from the Greenland crisis to the random tariffs to the abandonment of Ukraine, and it is very much incumbent on us to earn back trust from our equal partners after Trump went out of his way to alienate you. But it betrays a deep misread of the American mindset to think we're now a permanent enemy.

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15 Shan
>>13

It permeates through most things (RFK's approach to health and medicine being a prime example) but its truly shocking in the realm of international affairs and strategic relationships, you're watching them set fire to decades of diplomatic careers, agreements and understandings that are the product of conflicts/crisis that destroyed continents, for seemingly nothing, like there's no material or strategic upside to this, its just self-aggrandizing glee at 'pissing off the libs' with no plan for afterwards

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